User talk:Tommy-Vercetti

As far as the picture itself goes, I do think it's pretty good. I'd like to see an image of the "millisecond where he crushes the skull" if at all possible to judge it against the randomc image, but if it's not clearer, I think we can stick with this one. That being said, Nub888 does have a point about manga pictures as well as oversaturation of pictures. Some anime instances will simply be captured better in the manga than in the anime and certain pages aren't yet large enough to sustain more than a picture or two - if any at all. The speed at which you've been uploading and adding pictures isn't a bad thing, but it worries me a little. At this time it's still at a reasonably acceptable level, but a couple pictures are a bit too blurry. CorbeauKarasu 23:37, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

E-Mail
In one of the e-mails you sent me an e-mail in regards to CorbeauKarasu, concerning my changes to his edits on the "Alkahestry" page, you told me that, "I'm sure CK undid your edits for a good reason, and honestly, including romaji of their rank is entirely pointless." For the first part of your sentence, I had two reason as to why I changed part of CorbeauKarasu's sentence. The two reasons are:

-The Kanji for "Rentanjutsu" were wrong. It's supposed to be "錬丹術," not "練炭術." I read the Raw version, Volume 8: Chapter 32 to be precise. If you want, I can show you proof.

-I believed it would make the sentence easier for others to read. Here is the first part: "Alkahestry (also called ”練炭術”, ”連弾主”/"Rentanjutsu", "Rendanshu" or "Purification Arts")." All I did was space them apart. I did nothing else after that. Even though I've never seen the "Purification Arts" part before, I took it with a grain of salt.

For the second part of your e-mail. Is including Romaji in their rank any more "entirely pointless," than showing the character's name in Romaji, such as Roi Mastangu? After all, wouldn't it be "entirely pointless" to know what a character's name in Romaji looks like? If so, then why don't you start "correcting" them? In another e-mail, in regards to Roy Mustang, you said, "maybe you should learn proper spelling before you undo CK's edits." Rather than telling me I should "learn proper spelling," why don't you show me an example of my spelling error. While I do tend to make spelling mistakes, like adding or removing a letter, I also look over my work. However, I'm not above admitting fault. I changed CorbeauKarasu's edit without permission (amongst others), and I was wrong to do so. Dethklok91 (talk) 06:33, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Picture Frames
To be honest, I've always liked the pictures "naked", as it were. But someone (I forget who) argued that they looked unprofessional like that and began adding thumbnail frames to them all. It'd be nice to leave the pictures without the thumbnail part (most of these images have to be resized anyway, so that's not really an issue) but some pictures do require captions because they don't stand well on their own and, while we can include captions with naked pictures (wherein rolling the mouse over the image brings up a caption bar) we would run into the same problems regarding punctuation. There is a frame option so that images without captions would merely exist in a frame while framed images with captions would automatically include a space for that caption, but my experience with that tells me that pictures that are placed in a frame rather than a thumbnail box cannot be resized. If I'm incorrect about that, then huzzah we have a solution, but otherwise, I'm not so sure about removing all thumbnail frames. CorbeauKarasu 03:19, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that some pictures require captions; in fact, many do. Besides, if we resize them all, we may not be able to see details. So let the thumbnails be, at least for now. I'll try to remember to add periods to the captions. Kiadony 07:17, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sage Info
The land of Amestris is to the west of where Xerxes is and Xing is to the east of Xerxes. The titles don't refer to where the Sages ended up, but rather where they were from. To the people of Xing, the Sage came from the west, so they call him the Western Sage or the Sage of the West. But to the people of Amestris, the Sage came from the east, so they call him the Eastern Sage of the Sage of the East. In your mind, replace "of" with "from" and it'll make sense. CorbeauKarasu 20:15, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

That picture on Envy's page
The main one up the top, can you please be so kind to remind me what episode it's from? x.x;

It would be ever so awesome. Thanks.

AnimeHype 13:33, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

I can't really reply back to you on your page since you have no page, so I hope you check back here for the answer.

It's from Episode 41: Signs of a Counter-attack

If you notice, everyone (except Pride) has a similar style of image. Tommy-Vercetti 17:53, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Just what part of it, 'cause I was flipping through that episode before and found nothing. :C

AnimeHype 04:13, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

You must have flipped over it though. It's the part where Hohenheim talks to Pride in the underground. Tommy-Vercetti 14:34, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Ok.Hikaruyami-having fun* 15:25, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

What it all means
If you mean the green and orange numbers in parentheses, they're the number of letters or characters that have been added to or subtracted from each article by page edits over the course of the day. If someone changes a word, but switches it with a different word that contains the same number of letters, the parenthesized number will be zero. CorbeauKarasu 15:49, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Considering characters beating Homunculi
About that, I also found that interesting when it was just added, but then someone argued that Scar didn't really beat Wrath by himself, so it isn't on his page anymore. I've put it back, we'll se what happens. Kiadony 10:31, September 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * I used the same wording that was on Ed's page for Scar (with little to no help). And I don't think CK was the one who disagreed with these notes. Like I said, *I* agree that it was insightful and not coincidental, especially since it actually works for three of them. When I removed it earlier, I went with someone else's opinion, but I hope people will discuss it on talk pages if they doubt it. --Kiadony 17:19, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

All right, here's my take on the issue, then. I completely understand where the argument is coming from and it's a very interesting one, for sure. Like Kia, when it first showed up, I was all for it, but then someone brought up the fact that Scar hadn't defeated Wrath all on his own and that got me thinking some more. From where I stand, Roy's the one who definitely deserves the honor. Aside from being the one to kill Lust without anyone softening her up first, Roy is the first known human to ever kill a Homunculus at all. He proved that it could be done and from there on, it was simply a matter of who would be tenacious enough to match him. Definitely feats that deserve mention in his trivia section. However, though it is a really compelling theory to say that Roy, Scar and Ed were matched up against Homunculi who corresponded to their own worst sins, I personally can't really say I consider "lust" to be Roy's. Sure, he's a womanizer and he's got a reputation for being a ladies' man, but it doesn't really come up to the forefront of his character and certainly never gets in the way of his business. At least that's how I see it. Continuing on, while I see it as less of a stretch than Mustang's, I also wonder if "pride" is Edward's biggest personal flaw. I mean, sure he's vain as hell and you could say that's similar, but as for all-out pride, he's shown himself capable of letting his pride down if what he'll gain is important enough - like when he asked Envy for help inside Gluttony's stomach. I could even go so far as to suggest that either pride or wrath would suit Roy better. I'm personally doubtful, but there's still room for discussion, I suppose. For Scar, there's no doubt. It was his "wrath" that had been holding him back so long and the surprise I initially felt at the fact that Scar would be the one to fight Bradley to the death makes me think you may be right in suggesting that Arakawa planned for Scar to defeat Wrath symbolically. But then, like so many have said, Scar's win is the one with the biggest asterisk next to it. Even if you can't say Edward beat Pride all on his own, Pride brought his biggest handicap on himself by willingly sacrificing his Philosopher's Stone.
 * I was considering changing the notes myself by playing up Roy's accomplishment in killing Lust, changing the wording of Ed and Scar's accomplishments to "delivered the finishing blow to" and removing at least Roy and Ed's mentions regarding their personal sins, but like Kia said, they are points that probably deserve mention or at least discussion somewhere, so I'm not entirely sure how to continue. Thoughts? CorbeauKarasu 17:56, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * == 24.189.186.173 ==
 * You stupid god damit jerk. My edits were a wroth a quater. Don't be so freakin rude to me. Watch Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood or read the manga to get more info. You also miss out a lot of info from the anime Brotherhood. Don't just put "in the manga", put anime too you stubborn jackass.
 * You stupid god damit jerk. My edits were a wroth a quater. Don't be so freakin rude to me. Watch Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood or read the manga to get more info. You also miss out a lot of info from the anime Brotherhood. Don't just put "in the manga", put anime too you stubborn jackass.
 * You stupid god damit jerk. My edits were a wroth a quater. Don't be so freakin rude to me. Watch Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood or read the manga to get more info. You also miss out a lot of info from the anime Brotherhood. Don't just put "in the manga", put anime too you stubborn jackass.

^

Hahaha. Wow. Thanks. I needed a laugh.Tommy-Vercetti 23:46, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edit
That picture on General Hakuro was after the train incident which is in the 6th episode during the alchemy exam, one episode after the incident. I am planning to examine future appearances to prove that despite getting shot, the ear wound is missing. If you wish to look at the footage, try Hulu, since they have every episode from both series (subtitled format only). -Adv193 17:37, October 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Additonally here is a direct link . -Adv193 17:39, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Red or White
Ah, I see. Until you mentioned a red background, I didn't know what you meant. Sadly, like you said, it looks like our bitchin' black and red flamel background is gone =(. However, there is still the option of exchanging the red background site for a white one. In your preferences, the options are under Sit Layouts instead of "Skin". The Monobook option is the red one I assume you have, but for me, it altered straight to the New Wiki Look which is mostly white with some blue. If you hate the weird reddish pink, I'd suggest changing your preferences to New Wikia, but personally, it feels a little too sterile for me. While I do agree that it looks better than the maroon monobook, the monobook's web layout is similar to our usual style of operations, with most things in the same place and all the pages the same width. NWL is much narrower. I think it has a Recent activity box, but it's on the other side and shoves everything to the left instead. See which one you prefer. CorbeauKarasu 20:36, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

New Picture Style
It only works if you use the source HTML editor or manually input the HTML for images: As long as it doesn't have "thumb" in the HTML, there won't be a frame around it. There's a way to put the image in with a frame but no words, but it won't let you adjust the size so big images take up insane amounts of space. - CorbeauKarasu 71.239.1.84 01:29, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

No obsession my friend, I just thought it'd be nice to have another picture that involved him and the movie.

It's cool, dude
Don't worry about it. We all get frustrated. I can understand why continuity omissions would bother you; I get the same way about a bunch of books that become movies.

FUNimation has the tendency to shift lines around in their dubs in favor of stepping up humor and that doesn't always work, but a lot of their newer dubs pull it off pretty well without fudging information. I saw YYH dubbed first and, personally censorship in dubs is what makes me crazy, so YYH's uncut Adult Swim dub really appealed to me and I couldn't really perceive any problems with the plot. I watched it subbed a few years later, but the subs were bootlegged Chinese subs that made the story completely unintelligible, so I didn't even understand the final arc until about a year ago when I borrowed FUNi's uncut DVD release from someone. So I guess I don't know very much about the problems that came up with that series.

Some dubs are pretty lame, but there are a lot of dubs that are great, imo. Older series like Dragon ball, I prefer in Japanese - despite their iconic nature - but most of the newer series have great dubs and I prefer them in English. I prefer FMAB in Japanese, but that's just because I feel like the English actors aren't emoting passionately enough; most of the continuity errors were there in the Japanese version of the show. These days, it's likely the transition from manga to anime that'll screw with a series rather than the transition from Japanese to English. CorbeauKarasu 20:15, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Lyra picture
What do you mean? This picture was of better quality and exactly the same as the other, so I replaced the one before it. I don't see what the problem is.

Lin Yao
I wanted to apologize for my bad edit on the Lin Yao Page. It was not my intention. I'm not a vandal, and it's not that I don't know most of the rules of wikipedia (unless the rules on this wikia are different from the main wiki), it was an honest mistake. When I noticed my mistake I went to fix it by repasting the text that was there before my edit, but it didn't allow me too. I also looked for a history tab to revert my edit, but I couldn't find it. So again, I want to apologize for what happened to the Lin Yao Page. However, when you said that I haven't made a single good edit since I started editing this wiki your exaggerating. Other then the edit I made to the Lin Yao page, my edits have been small. They weren't bad at all. Redbird41 20:02, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Your wrong. The correct name would be "Lin Yao" per Viz's and Arakawa's names. So my small edits weren't bad, just that last big one that I made. And I'm sorry for that. Redbird41 20:57, June 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * No YOU'RE wrong. Viz does not know how to translate properly. Notice that names people and things (like the Ishvalans and cens) changes part way through the story? It's because Viz thinks they can change translators whenever they want, and the translators think they don't have to talk to each other. His name is Ling, like it or not. Fullmetal Fan 22:20, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Notice how I said Viz and Arakawa. Disagree with Viz as much as you like, it doesn't change the fact that Arakawa sais his name is Lin. If you don't like it you'll just have to cope. Ling sounds better to me, but it doesn't change the fact that his name is Lin. Redbird41 22:23, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

All right Mr. Jerk, you have made a point. But I will continue to add to this wiki.

Envy
I'm wondering why you cut the Last Words section on Envy's page so short. Shouldn't everything be there? If not, then I can go to Lust's page and change her last words to "That day will come... very... soon..." for you.

Also, what did you mean by re-reading the chapter where Envy dies? I was referring to my copy of Vol. 23 when editing the page. I don't use fan-made scanlations as a reference, because I consider the Viz translation- horribly translated and all- to be canon.

Keep up the good work. Sage Advice 17:28, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

At first, I didn't know what you were doing. I didn't write that article, so I have no idea why they chose to only include "Bye Bye" but you can expand upon it if you want. Though, you don't need to do a full paragraph like you did before. But, I think we should keep "Bye bye" it's a little more... poignant from Envy than just "Farewell."Tommy-Vercetti 17:41, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well, neither "Bye bye" nor "Farewell" were in Envy's last words. Like with other characters, I think all of Envy's dying 'speech' should be included. It doesn't really make sense to only include fragments that the FMAwiki community likes. Sage Advice 20:28, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

I catagorize "last words" as literally the last thing they say before dying. I get what you're saying about how it should include their "official" last words, but literally, the final thing Envy ever spoke was "Bye Bye, Edward Elric" Not the speech that preceeds it.

We included Lust's speech for example because she died immediately upon saying it. Same with Sloth, Wrath, and just about anyone else.

Envy gave his speech, but then he proceeded to tear out his stone, and, about a full minute later, he finished it with "Bye Bye" and that speech then to me doesn't classify something as "Last words"Tommy-Vercetti 21:04, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds right. I guess it'll stay that way. Sage Advice 12:03, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

supposedly childish words
These words were not really childish, you know... If I'd wrote wiener or dick, THAT would be childish. "Private parts" sounds not childish at all. --Boris Baran 18:39, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Here's a mature way of writing it: "Groin area" "genitalia"

I agree that "Dick" or whatever would be more immature, but writing "private parts" sounds just as bad. That's something you say as an elementary schooler in front of mom to not get in trouble. Tommy-Vercetti 19:42, July 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, point taken, "genitalia" sounds better. And English isn't my mother tongue, either, to be honest. My German is MUCH better...--Boris Baran 20:05, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thank You
Thanks for the help, but these IPs won't stop until someone blocks them, so keep your guard up. -Adv193 21:18, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Lebis article that doesn't exist yet
I figured that since Lebis exists, even if only in one of the games, that it could be a viable article for the wiki and therefore is not "pointless". BrokenSphere (Talk) 21:48, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

I really hate creating pages on random video game locations though. They probably won't be more than two sentences and aren't especially canon, nor important enough to even warrant a page.

If you create it and it's a worthwhile page, then by all means, add the link again on that page. It's not difficult.Tommy-Vercetti 21:51, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, you could probably argue that the game-only characters aren't important or canon either. However given that the intent of this wiki is "everything Full Metal Alchemist", there's no real reason not to have such articles, even if they can't go beyond stub status. However in this case I won't redlink the Lebis reference in the Elma article. BrokenSphere  (Talk) 22:06, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but characters have a little bit more to offer in articles (especially ones that take pivotal roles in the games) rather than just where they take place.
 * I can't imagine an article about the city beyond something like "Is the setting of the FMA game" Unless something really tremendous happens there, so, it really isn't worth creating a page for. The passing mention on the character pages are literally more than enough.
 * Even the huge countries/cities in the actual canon don't have too much on them when compared to character pages.Tommy-Vercetti 22:09, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Be careful when making this kind of article since the 2003 anime character Karen has used the name Lebi as her alias which is confirmed with the english subtitles. -Adv193 18:52, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Be careful when making this kind of article since the 2003 anime character Karen has used the name Lebi as her alias which is confirmed with the english subtitles. -Adv193 18:52, July 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's why templates like About exist and is used in several instances as this sort of thing happens a lot with FMA. BrokenSphere  (Talk) 18:59, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Broken's right, though. I don't know anything about Lebis, so I'll hold off on it personally unless no one else does it (great modding, right?) but every stand-alone location like a town or known country, should have a page to itself, even if there's only a sentence or two of information. CorbeauKarasu 20:44, July 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Necroing because I was actually debating adding a Crimson Elixer-related article the other night. There are a few things worth mentioning about Lebis. The fact that they developed the golems and used them as servants, that they developed an alchemy-based transportation system, the fact that the King attempted the same thing Crowley did and it ended badly (also referenced Xerxes), and probably a bit of information about the city's structure, particularly the Royal Ziggurat. I don't know whether or not a Lebis page was actually made, what I was debating adding was actually a page for the Golems. Between listing the individual golems, the backstory for the golems in the game, and a description of how they are made and what they can do, I could probably get a pretty decent sized page going. What concerns me is (A) this is so long after Crimson Elixir was relevent & (B) I probably would not be able to get images for even most of the Golem types.Neo Bahamut 01:12, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Your trivia note
In addition to your trivia note, the matter of the government designated camps in brought up again in Episode 36: The Sinner Within (2003 series) which was the final time the Ishvalan refugees were used in the story prior to the epilogue in the series finale. Since I used the footage from the episode on Hulu in subbed format I made sure to write that down when I made the summary with that material. -Adv193 18:52, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

What are you saying though? Are you going to add it? Do you want me to? Or are you just telling me for the sake knowing? Tommy-Vercetti 19:07, July 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sure you can add it if you want since you know more about it at the moment than I do and anyway if wish to see the footage, Funimation has it available for streaming right now. I just wanted to make to inform you that more than one episode has this information. -Adv193 19:44, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for all the great editing on the FMA wikia. A year ago when I would come here it was really a mess with inaccuracies and bad grammar, and I couldn't stay for long without going completely OCD on it, haha. Looks so much better now! Keep up the awesome work.

PS, on your profile you talked about why the first anime was a crime against the original series and why the Brotherhood dub could have been much better, and I couldn't agree more. I'm a die-hard fan for the manga as well. :)

Thanks, I'm glad you agree, but really, the credit for the current state of this site shouldn't go to me. While it's true I help out a lot, the biggest thanks should go to CorbeauKarasu. He's the main driving force behind this place, writing-wise and content-wise. Though, the rest of the regulars (myself included) take care in preserving what we have, and constantly improving it.Tommy-Vercetti 16:58, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

you be quiet ill keep editing all i want. i can edit and you cant stop me

you cant band me hahahahahahahaha

I'm the one really laughing here, moron. Tommy-Vercetti 20:07, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Chibi Party screenshot
I selected an image that has Noah in it. How is this "not relevant" and where is the harm in showing how the characters appear in other mediums? BrokenSphere (Talk) 20:13, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

It's a non-canon OVA, we don't need to see "proof" that she's in it. It's a pointless addition. It's an interesting fact via text only, but then to further elaborate on it, it's stupid.

Imagine if you were reading an article on something random like "Hair color" then you see a bit of trivia "Many people choose to dye their hair color" followed by a picture of a bleached-blonde. Didn't need the image, it adds nothing, and it's obvious and pointless to further elaborate on.Tommy-Vercetti 20:15, July 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * You didn't pick a good counterexample. Especially for something like hair color, something showing a dye that doesn't occur naturally in people (e.g. a shade of green) would add value, as would other examples. Maybe this doesn't add value for you, but you are not thinking about other readers who it might add value for. Why not let the image stay in, start a discussion about it, and if there are compelling reasons to keep in or out, then decide? BrokenSphere  (Talk) 20:27, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * She's barely in the background. It's not relevant information. The picture works in the actual Chibi page, because, hence, it's about it. But just to know that the minorest of minor characters is there via not only text but also an additional picture is ludicrous. God, why are all the overly stubborn people who come here obsessed about Rose in every sense? If you really need to have a picture, find one of that scene of her and Winry arguing or whatever. That picture you keep wanting is the worst. She's not doing anything of importance and is barely in the background. Pictures should be relevant to the topic at hand, not just "Oh, well, she's in this picture, I guess that means we should add it." You act like other users who care too much about Rose won't ever be able to find your picture if it's not on that exact page. You know, if it were me and I wanted to read more about her role in the Chibi OVA, I'd go to OVA page... and look! Gasp! There it is! What's the problem? Tommy-Vercetti 20:30, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * She's barely in the background. It's not relevant information. The picture works in the actual Chibi page, because, hence, it's about it. But just to know that the minorest of minor characters is there via not only text but also an additional picture is ludicrous. God, why are all the overly stubborn people who come here obsessed about Rose in every sense? If you really need to have a picture, find one of that scene of her and Winry arguing or whatever. That picture you keep wanting is the worst. She's not doing anything of importance and is barely in the background. Pictures should be relevant to the topic at hand, not just "Oh, well, she's in this picture, I guess that means we should add it." You act like other users who care too much about Rose won't ever be able to find your picture if it's not on that exact page. You know, if it were me and I wanted to read more about her role in the Chibi OVA, I'd go to OVA page... and look! Gasp! There it is! What's the problem? Tommy-Vercetti 20:30, July 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * If the last sentence here isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.


 * The problem with your suggestion is that that shot doesn't exist as the 2 never get into an argument. If you have a better idea of something that does exist, let's hear it.


 * I actually think that a better shot for the OVA section would be something showing more of the characters, not this particular one. It just so happens that this one is there at the moment. If that were the case, the proposed solution wouldn't work.


 * Here are 2 manga examples of what you're complaining about, using an illustration to accompany a text description with the subject highlighted, no less: Buccaneer and Maes Hughes. Again, this image is relevant to the topic at hand, as it is to the other characters in that shot. At least one of the other shots of Noah has much more going on whereas this one is "stable" by comparison. If I thought that image was a better candidate I would have used it instead. Just because you don't see any value in it being on the page itself doesn't mean that other people may not find value and if I didn't think it was relevant, then I wouldn't have bothered to upload it.


 * BrokenSphere (Talk) 22:08, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I don't waste my time watching crappy 2003 anime stuff. I only glanced upon your writing in the article and saw something about "Winry and her argue about if she really loves Ed or not" so by that rationale, I assumed there might be an image of it happening. If there's not even that much, then it's entirely pointless, ever, to mention her role in that Chibi thing.
 * You call the Bucanneer and Hughes things trivial? That's actually two things:
 * 1. An interesting, relevant fact. (not some non-canon Chibi skit thing)
 * 2. For something like that, you need a visual aid to see it, and it's highlighted to show it exactly.
 * I assume you're talking about their appearances in chapter 107. No one cares about "Noah". No one cares about including info about non-canon skits onto character pages. Let me get one thing perfectly clear to you: if that non-canon Chibi OVA was specifically about Noah or provided further insight into the character, or was a big part of her character, then that picture would be appropriate (there'd probably be a section regarding it).
 * It's nothing. She has the minorest of roles, doesn't do anything, so it's not needed to SEE what she looks like as a chibi. It's not relevant.
 * I'm through arguing this. I really don't like you at all. And, keep on adding that picture, I'll remove it everytime. So, there you go. End of discussion. Tommy-Vercetti 22:16, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I assume you're talking about their appearances in chapter 107. No one cares about "Noah". No one cares about including info about non-canon skits onto character pages. Let me get one thing perfectly clear to you: if that non-canon Chibi OVA was specifically about Noah or provided further insight into the character, or was a big part of her character, then that picture would be appropriate (there'd probably be a section regarding it).
 * It's nothing. She has the minorest of roles, doesn't do anything, so it's not needed to SEE what she looks like as a chibi. It's not relevant.
 * I'm through arguing this. I really don't like you at all. And, keep on adding that picture, I'll remove it everytime. So, there you go. End of discussion. Tommy-Vercetti 22:16, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm through arguing this. I really don't like you at all. And, keep on adding that picture, I'll remove it everytime. So, there you go. End of discussion. Tommy-Vercetti 22:16, July 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know that you hate the original series, but this wiki being what it is, and it's not the FMA:B and manga-only wiki, the whole FMA universe needs to be covered. I'm assuming that there are things in the 2003 continuity (tell me if I'm wrong, maybe the whole thing and everything related to it) and maybe also in the GTA wiki that you mention that you work with that you find pointless or disagree with and don't think belong respectively here or there. However if the wiki as it currently exists doesn't cover them, then it's not doing its job. There are probably characters that I can't stand or care less about either, but they are there, whether in the 2003 series, 2009 series, manga, movies, games, you name it. That's the reality of what we have to work with and you and I have to deal with it, whether we agree with them being there or not. Since these are 2 viewpoints, I'm curious to hear others on this issue.


 * In regards to your comment about liking me or not - thank you for sharing. And please - you've already seen that I prefer to talk things out with people when there's a disagreement instead of engaging in edit warring, getting frustrated by having to revert edits I disagree with over and over again, and letting my frustration become obvious. BrokenSphere  (Talk) 02:24, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Dude, that is total crap. I've edited pages from every continuity if I see something that needs to be fixed. Old 2003 episode summaries, video game characters. I'm well aware that this is a FMA wiki and everything needs to be covered.
 * My point entirely is that including a pointless shot that has nothing at all to do with the character (Noah in the Chibi OVA) is ecessive and pointless. I would do the same thing if someone was trying to include the same thing in a manga character. It's not my bias over the 2003 series that's coming into play, even in the slightest. My point was that your addition is fruitless, tacky, and lacking all sense of relevance.
 * She doesn't do anything in that OVA, there is no reason to clutter up the page with a picture of her that you can barely even see the 'title character'. It's not needed. I don't mind it in the trivia because it's just merely a cursory mention and that's what trivia is for. We don't need visual aid to go along with something so pointless. Tommy-Vercetti 16:51, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was going off on what is on your user page and in other discussions, so thanks for setting the record straight with regards to how you feel about continuity in this case. And thank you for providing a mellower response than what I was anticipating. BrokenSphere  (Talk) 17:09, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just because I detest the first anime series, doesn't mean I never edit anything of the sort. Look through all my contributions, I've edited every page I've seen that needs a fix. Regardless of what it is. Do I tend to stay more on what I like? Yes, but, it's not limited solely on that. Hell, just a few days I completely rewrote the entire 2003 Barry section on the Barry article, even though I've only seen it once. When I can contribute, I do. My personal opinions don't come into play when I edit. Tommy-Vercetti 17:12, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. I'm new to editing wiki pages so I appreciate any and all advice.

FMA: Brotherhood page
Thanks for fixing that oversized new submission today and the real reason I sending you a message is that the particular section is meant to use only a few examples so it won't get overbloated like that, which is why I changed the entry summary like that. -Adv193 01:20, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Images
Oh, you are right. Now, I will put bigger photos

"Who the hell has he ever resurrected?" <- Al resurrected his brother after Envy murdered him. Watch episodes 50 and 51 of the 2003 anime. Ed got a blade through the heart and died, then Al resurrected him by healing his injuries and binding his soul before too much time passed. And drained the philosophers stone by doing it.

It's an idiotic piece of trivia and it will never be included. Don't come crying to me either; I didn't even erase it this time. I'm not the only one who doesn't like it. And learn to sign your posts, goddamn. Tommy-Vercetti 19:18, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Looked just fine. Quality was high, and in relation to the characters.

You: "It's already been mentioned"

I looked the page over before adding that to the trivia and saw no questioning of why Envy never changes his form in the movie or any speculation as to why. It just says that he's still in his form and he's used as a living orobouros.

You: "Who the hell has he ever resurrected?"

Remember episode 51 of the 2003 anime? Ed was murdered by Envy(blade in the chest, lot of blood, Ed's soul at the gate) and Al used the philosopher's stone to heal his body and attach his soul back to it before it crossed over. Thus he was the first and only person to raise the dead through human alchemy.

I know my facts and don't like when my contributions are removed because others missed it.

Nayr1000 22:20, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Nothing, but the photo that I put today is more recent


 * Firstly, sign your posts. Secondly, why does it need to be recent? Talk about irrelevant. Tommy-Vercetti 21:04, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Ok stop deleting my pictures ok man because that is not cool at all ok.

Why the hell are you deleting my pictures in this on wiki on Homunculus like what is with that I demand you to tell me right now because I don`t care if you created this wiki just tell me why and if you don`t give me an answer I will make sure my pictures stay on this wiki got that.

You are starting to get me annoyed too man you`re just getting me upset about you saying how bad I`m editing so seriosly shut up about ok. Broncodan83 16:28, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

I just want to know who created this wiki. Broncodan83 17:50, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Can you ever stop saying how bad everything of mine isn`t really that good because I could just leave this anime if I didn`t really give a crap about FMA, but I don`t so can you be a bit nicer about this.Broncodan83 00:01, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Just leave me alone you jerk.Broncodan83 21:43, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

What the hell is wrong with you jerk. Why the hell do you always delete everything I say you frickin jerk, What I posted on there some people didn`t know. You really think everybody in the damn world knows about soul eaterl.Broncodan83 00:27, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

FYI YOU ARE A DUMBASS,Broncodan83 00:28, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Just to let you know don`t delete the editing that I did to Cornello because those I put in there are his last words and I just looked up in the manga so it would be a smart idea NOT to delete those words ok.Broncodan83 01:05, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ok here`s why I have anger issues and I can get real upset rel easily sorry about that I just got ticked off to much.Broncodan83 02:13, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

All Done
The Brotherhood Episodes are completed with the new template and with that both series are done. -Adv193 21:29, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Again seriously. why don`t you ever leave my edits alone.Bladefox252 18:25, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

They're not good edits. Tommy-Vercetti 20:12, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Really buddy, when I look at your contributions page you've made three edits: one was uploading a picture, one was an actual edit to a page, and the third was this complaint; yet you clearly state that this has happened before. If you're trying to secretly multi-account, you're not doing a very good job at it. Fullmetal Fan 21:37, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Consistency
No, you're absolutely right. Consistency is important for any paper, article or website. If they'd decided to use the British spellings exclusively, that'd be fine, they'd just have to enforce it unilaterally. Even if they don't care which one they're using, the same word should always be spelled the same way. People who misspell it can always be corrected. I don't understand the sentiment behind "needing a fair amount of each". The only thing to do if no one's taking action is take the corrections upon yourself. It would be foolish for someone to argue with that. CorbeauKarasu 23:16, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Rebecca
The picture I added is the first you see of her during the anime, and it establishes that like Riza she is also a sniper, which is probably how they met. +y@talk 19:02, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also I am wondering, since you added File:Dennyhappy.jpg to Denny's page, wouldn't a picture of him with his siblings also help illustrate his character? +y@talk 23:15, March 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Trust me, if the layout wasn't so awful and condensed, I would have no qualms with your addition there, but it's as FMF said; with this layout, beyond two on smaller articles, such as Denny's, does not look very good.


 * If you'd like to try and create a page about his siblings, though, I don't think anyone here would object. They don't have anything, and we have shorter articles, so I'd say and go ahead and do that if you want to use that image. It's a good image, but blame wikia for the awful new layout. Tommy-Vercetti 23:28, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I see your point. Okay then. Though I would prefer only the other image because all the State Military forces should have a main image with their primary clothes on instead. McCrillisNsiah2 21:52, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

If you can find a nice picture of her in military garb, go for it. I have yet to find a really good one, and I really don't like any picture from the movie, with all its incredibly awful quality artwork. Tommy-Vercetti 22:04, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Why are you insulting me for? Leave the articles the way they were, there's no need to change the meaning of the word. Everything written is well okay in my opnion except errors and poor grammars as I told the other user. I know the rules didn't say you can call people names and such, so watch your damn mouth pal. I don't revert without explanation. McCrillisNsiah2 19:40, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Did you even read my previous message? I didn't say I did not know what they mean, I know what they mean. All I was trying to say to you is why change it for? Everything was well written so I don't see any point of you changing the meaning of the words as well as character images back and fourth. Don't be a dumb ass and put words in my mouth "tough guy". All the articles were well written so who gives a fuck about the meaning of this and that, they are just words, just like pictures are pictures. I'll keep reverting them you stupid. McCrillisNsiah2 19:47, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

What's your reply going to be? ._. McCrillisNsiah2 19:51, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't bother me, all I said is that everything in that articles doesn't have to be changed, you've already did well on these articles. It's just words, get over it. The shit for brains is you, I do understand. Don't say such rubbish words about someone you don't know, put yourself into my shoes if you think I lack basic language skills as you're saying with your smart ass mouth. I just keep here like after a few days ago and you will not have any right to banned me forever, it should only be a few days if I get blocked since I'm new here still. McCrillisNsiah2 19:57, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

It's only Alphonse's pages I've reverted. I didn't revert Mustang's one, I left it the way it is. Why are you lying saying I'm editing war at Mustang's, it's Alphonse. I've already saw your message at CK's pages, unlike you, I'm not a snitch. McCrillisNsiah2 20:01, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

And thanks for calling me a "newbie" and mocking me by repeating what I've said. You must be a douche in person, I hope I don't meet such assholes like you, you've started insulting me first so I did the same. McCrillisNsiah2 20:03, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Asswhite, he just said to lay off and I might not get banned. I don't find his words offensive or anything. You started by calling me an idiot, even if you don't like what someone is doing, you don't have to insult them. I did not back down, I said fine and I'll move on. How come you didn't write that message to my talk page if you say I back down like a pussy? I don't even find his words rude or nasty, I just calm down and just moved on. I never said his words were nice or anything, he just told me to chill so that I wouldn't get back to edit warring and getting banned. And I was just about to get over it until you came back and started again. I am not a sissy unlike you who's got mouth Mr. "Tough Guy". Get off my ass. McCrillisNsiah2 20:22, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

He didn't say such stuff like I lack this or that, or I'm a "newbie" like you were saying. You trying to start some shit again just because I wasn't calm and cool with you? ._. The "textbook idiot" who is you so shut the fuck up and don't start it back up again like you did just now. McCrillisNsiah2 20:25, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Haha, and you're calling me rude. That's funny.

By the way, he also said "But it's highly unlikely with all the abuse you've been spouting"

You brought it all on yourself. Remember that. Tommy-Vercetti 20:26, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

He never said that on my talk page but either way, its done. I'm over with the edit war so why the fuck are you back trying to puff this shit back again? You said not to get you started by calling you a "tough" guy and yet look what you just said to me numerous times. You got a big ass mouth, say what you want you immature buffoon. McCrillisNsiah2 20:30, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Lastly, I've never even said that you were rude. Read my previous messages carefully and clearly next time or you just made that up so I can get pissed again? What a dumb ass user you are. McCrillisNsiah2 20:37, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Jesus, learn to edit your pages; not create a new one everytime, and secondly:

Yes, yes he did indeed say that on your talk page. Here's the actual copy and paste:

"I think you've reached the point of no return buddy, lay off now and you might not get banned.  But with the number of warnings you've had it's not bloody likely. Fullmetal Fan 20:10, April 15, 2012 (UTC)"

Enjoy your suspension!Tommy-Vercetti 20:39, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Why don't you stop taunting me, huh? I don't care, it's over it. I said I was over it. So dropped this shit already. And I'm not even blocked dummy so what suspension am I having? none. I said I'll move on to see which articles have errors in them. I've also already told you why I didn't feel his message very offensive. Yeah, its true I did came on a bad foot as well as explaining why I had to change the Al's page back to the way it was previously. But then again, I said I'd stop. So anything else or new you like to bring up? I'm not expecting anything else from mindless entertaining clowns who seek attention for taunting and trouble like you. McCrillisNsiah2 20:43, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Impressive, then
If you've dealt with most of the vandals here, that's good then. For some reason, in the past this wiki has been littered with them. I can go through the list of blocked users and I still find it shocking. A job well done for justice-on-wiki, I must say.

Lin Yao 09:54, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

With that Anya user... She said she would report you, but I don't think much will come out of that. But I do think that we should just ignore her if we can't come to terms or make criticism in a friendly opinion. I understand that her story is almost impossible to believe, but I do not wish to pass judgement when I'm so new here. And it is my opinion that she is not really doing any harm to the wiki, so long as it stays within blogs. I'm not telling you what to do, as I am in no position to do so, but it might be an idea to just ignore her.

&quot;I no really understand this language! Bye-bye!&#39; - Lin Yao 12:18, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well, personally, I think it does harm the wikia in a certain extend, since I consider what she's doing "spamming". But I also agree that the best approach in such cases is to just ignore it, cause she's merely trying to get everyone's attention by making up childish stories. So, it's like that old saying: "don't feed the trolls". As long as she doesn't start writting lies such as receiving letters from Arakawa and making up FMA facts and keeps the lying to her blog, she'll get tired of it soon enough if noone pays any attention to it. But I do have to be honest: if she's telling the truth about being 18, she should really see a shrink, cause that behaviour is very normal on kids, but it's a very disturbing matter on someone her age. Turdaewen 13:53, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

If you're all in agreement with it as well, everyone should ignore her. I have no qualms with that whatsoever.Tommy-Vercetti 14:15, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well, like Turdaewen said, we can ignore her so long as shes not making up facts. I just want to avoid her becoming a vandal. Right now, its just unbelievable stories. If we can keep it that way, then hopefully we'll have one less potential vandal.

&quot;I no really understand this language! Bye-bye!&#39; - Lin Yao 08:40, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Introduction
Yo. You might recognize me from that chat we had on the Talk Page for Oroborus. I decided the conversation was interesting, but I still did not want to pull the page more off-topic.

As a matter of fact, one of the pages I was thinking of was Bleach-oriented, and the other Final Fantasy (also that one wasn't actually a wiki). But my complaints had nothing to do with using the dub as source material. Partly because they weren't doing it, but also because I don't really have a problem with most dubs. Most. Not all. The quality of Brotherhood's dub was one of several reasons I did not like the 2nd anime in terms of aesthetics and presentation.

On that note, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by Yu Yu Hakusho's "English dub." It had two. One for when it was on Toonami, another for when it was on Adult Swim.

I actually prefer the 2003 series slightly over the manga/Brotherhood, which is a point of contention among most fans. I tend to think some of the later events diverged from the series' premise too much; Pride's shadow powers and the final battle with Father being reminiscent of Dragonball Z come to mind. After seeing "it all," I haven't changed my mind much, except I must admit that Father is a much more developed villain now than he was when I started following the original story, about halfway through the first anime. Definitely better than Dante, who didn't have a whole lot going for her to begin with.Neo Bahamut 00:58, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Every english dub has an edited one and an uncut one. The point is, the entire english dub was atrocious in Yu Yu Hakusho. I'll admit, the first 26 episodes were pretty good and they actually did include some lines from the manga that even the Japanese version didn't. But when it got to a serious, long plot, they couldn't do it. They started giving characters lines that were a complete 180 from any character personality setup and it was just a huge mess. If you actually appreciate the characters and the story of Yu Yu Hakusho, I don't see how anyone can actually support the dub. And yes, I've seen every episode in english, unfortunately, and I guarentee, if you watch the dub first like I did, love the show, then watch it originally, you will never be able to go back. Trust me when I say that. Only after you see what was lost do you finally acknowledge just how awful it is.

Sorry that all I talk about is YYH, but I get really worked up about that dub. Oooh man, I can't stand it; especially the fact that it seems to be everywhere and that no one seems to know about the original anymore.

I see though that you didn't like Brotherhood's english dub (at least from the way you wrote it, that's what I gather); I agree. FUNimation (despite the DBZ and YYH dubs early on) has actually become probably the best dubbing company these days. Speed Grapher, I actually perfer its english dub to the original Japanese. They just nailed the casting, characters and spiced up the script (but still kept it true to the original) and I can't say that for any other series, ever. So I honestly can't believe how much the Brotherhood dub faltered; the biggest problem was they kept so many of the original actors from the first anime when they should have recast. Hawkeye isn't the same Hawkeye from the 2003 anime, so her voice should have been altered to reflect that. I blame the voice director as well; like he just said "Do it like before!" when the character is nothing like that other incarnation.

Regarding wikipedias; I avoid most of them; especially shows like Bleach and Naruto all that; just ravenous fanboys (Not to mention that I abhor both of those series to the highest degree). I do remember the worst wikia I ever saw. I was curious about one thing after watching a Star Wars movie; I think it was like a background character, and you go to its page on that wikia and it's like a 90000000 page encyclopedia about ONE background character. Try reading one about a major character; good god :-!

Tommy-Vercetti 13:51, May 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late response. Wikia's editor hasn't been loading for me, & it just now decided to stop doing that. That said, I don't know of any real problems in YYH's dub. I tend to rely on external sources to point out differences between the originals and the adaptations. So far, I'm aware of several differences in the manga to the anime, but the only change from one anime adaptation to the next I'm aware of is the lack of the transvestite in the Toonami dub.


 * Ironically, I didn't like the Brotherhood dub because of the new voices. For some, like Lin and May, it couldn't be helped. Others, like Scar, I wish they'd tried harder to get to reprise. In either case, it was the returning actors who seemed the most believable. Granted, I haven't seen too much of the dub. You watch a series once, you kind of lose the motivation to catch a different adaptation of the same story. But I didn't mind the Xingese in the Japanese anime, so I rather doubt it's a case of They Changed It Now It Sucks.


 * Without going into too much detail, I have literally pages of stuff floating around the internet about why the Bleach Wiki is awful, & it's more-or-less the stuff you mentioned. It's everything from jerk admins who falsify reasons to ban people, to hastily posting information that later turns out false, to restating every insipid little detail word-for-word in the summary pages. Which I think would be plagiarism, if Kubo gave a shit. I like Bleach, I just hate my fanbase. >.> If they can so be called. You'd be amazed how much the supposed fans complain about imagined faults in the story, and then since there's a large overlap with the Naruto fanbase, they'll often praise that for doing the exact same thing they just whined about.Neo Bahamut 13:43, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, I think Al's eyes are brown (if not hazel) in the 1st series, not green. Surf Penguin, a Jukebox Hero 00:47, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

KoolCartoons, here
Yeah, remember me?

I like to apologize for me behavior before and wonder, if you will accept me as a fellow fan of FMA.

I and the person previous to this article were only putting up information that suggest, not absolute proof. You also overlooked the second possibility. Darius's reaction seemed too long for a mere hesitation toward an okward sexual moment.Chidori1,000 03:57, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

I really do suck at adding periods.Chidori1,000 23:13, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Military Ranks
http://fma.wikia.com/wiki/Military_Ranks

It's still there. This whole new thing on all the wikias where typing anything but an exact page's title sends to a search page is really inconvenient and quite annoying.CorbeauKarasu (talk) 01:49, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

Picture resizing
It just looks better if all the files (minus the profile) to have the same pixel size, and so that the files aren't in the middle of the text. Nothing in your policies says I could not do what what I did.

P.S I'm not being rude. I always talk like this. If you think it's better your way (well, it's your way) I won't say anything after this.

Blossom No talk page yet..

I see where you're going with this, but I feel the opposite. These miniscule thumbnails look tacky. Almost as if we could only find the lowest resolution files to put in the article. And we have this left, right, left page layout to compliment moderately sized pictures.

That being said, thare a few pictures on a few pages that are a little too big, but resizing is tricky, mostly in the case of gifs, but for the most part, I don't see a problem with them. And prefer it the other way. And you're not being rude, you're just discussing it normally, which is encouraged.Tommy-Vercetti (talk) 20:34, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I'm just a little stuck-up when it comes to things like this.

This is mostly due to wikia's atrocious page layout that's like 35% of the full screen. If you could see the pages before this new skin was thrust onto every wikia, the larger pictures looked better. (You still can if you look at the preview option), so if they're squashed up by a character box, go ahead and shrink them, but for the rest, I don't see a problem. Tommy-Vercetti (talk) 20:55, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

what was changed in father's page?

Envy's Ouroboros
On the Wrath talk page, you mentioned that every Homunculus's Ouroboros betokens a power or personality trait. But I can't think of what Envy's would mean. It's on the outside of his left thigh. What could that symbolize?

(Note: I'm not being rude or confrontational. I'm just wondering what someone else thinks.)(Sub-Note: I've had problems in the past with people thinking my posts are argumentative, so I'm just clarifying ahead of time.) Damaijin (talk) 00:34, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

I think for the most part, Arakawa wanted some sort of significance in Ouroboros locations, but with Envy, I think she was running out of spaces, so she slapped it on. So, I wouldn't apply that with EVERY homunculus, but, if you really want to deleve into FMA, http://fma.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Turdaewen, talk to her. :-! She'll probably be able to even prove me wrong about Envy too. She knows all this stuff. Try her instead. Tommy-Vercetti (talk) 17:16, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Please tell me what I am doing wrong?Private Fan (talk) 00:58, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Why do you need to remove trivia that doesn't need to be removed? That's what you're doing wrong. Especially considering that not only I, but at least two other members have now told you to stop, and yet you still persist, is also the biggest problem. Do it one more time and you'll most likely be banned from editing here, at all. Do you understand? Tommy-Vercetti (talk) 01:00, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've sent a request to wikia to have those pages put under semi-protection. -Adv193 (talk) 01:01, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Use this link if you want to help -Adv193 (talk) 01:05, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've just contacted Wikia's staff to request a blocking to end this quick since there is no telling when CorbeauKarasu‎ is coming back and this is getting out of hand. -Adv193 (talk) 01:14, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I even put up a message to his/her discussion page, so I'll put here for further proof:
 * Dear Contributor, please, respect whenever registered users and contributiors with more time/experience than you undo your edits. Insisting on making your edits prevail will not sustain and will only make the wikia community resent you. If you don't agree with the reasons given to undo your edits, state your reasons and arguments in the talk page, but do not insist on changing them over and over again. If we undid it, there's a reason and insisting upon it won't make us change our minds or give up and leave it at that.

''If you have any questions, please refere to regular users or the administrators. Turdaewen (talk) 03:25, January 7, 2013 (UTC)''

He responded in my user page wuth a simple "I know I'm right". ¬¬' Turdaewen (talk) 03:02, January 8, 2013 (UTC)