Talk:Julia Crichton

she isn't from Amestris, we should change that flag of amestris in her page to the milos flag

About Canon or Non!Canon
Perhaps the article should mention while the movie is an official and thus canon release to the fullmetal franchise, it is an independant movie and not canon to the actual story line of the manga/brotherhood (after all both Arakawa and the director of brotherhood had almost nothing to do with it), explaining why Julia wasn't used as a human sacrifice. After all there are so many additional releases( video games, novels, drama cds) and they all count as official but still are more like stories on their own (kinda like fma2003), as many of them just don't fit in the timeline or differ too much in rules of the universe to actually be part of the main plot.

The difference between your 2003 analogy is this. All those drama CDs, and seperate series are stated as such. The FMA 2003 series is an entirely differen't canon than the manga/2009 series, and most of those drama CDs are stated to also belong within that 2003 canon.

Believe me, I with the Sacred Star of Milos didn't exist, but it is clearly stated as being within the 2009 series canon. And while, that has nothing to do with the manga, it has to be clarified that they did try and pair it with the anime version. I think we should use non-canon more like fanworks that aren't official releases; like that weird live action thing Insano Vic made; that's more 2003 based, but it can hardly be seen as canon either.

The fact remains, however, this movie's official, and IS part of the 2009 anime series, unfortunately. Tommy-Vercetti (talk) 16:43, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

The movie fits very well in manga plot, Arakawa even says that it's the volume 11.5. Furthermore this movie is much better than naruto, bleach, one piece and Fairy Tail movies. The story is good for a shounen movie with that all plot twists, the OST is new and very good and the animation is great. The mainly problem with this movie is sometimes the art (i said sometimes, because if u watch the movie in 1080p, it looks pretty well. Go to see some reviews of FMA Movie 2, for example:

review 1: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/fullmetal-alchemist/the-sacred-star-of-milos

review 2: http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/reviews/fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood-the-sacred-star-of-milos-blu-ray-review.html

JPPCouto 23:09, October 7, 2012 

Saying it's good or bad is irrelevant in the sense of being cannon or not cannon. Futhermore, Arakawa never said it "fits the manga", she said that the story (which was not created by her) takes place between the volumes 11 and 12, before Ed and Al go to the North.

Personally I think it's anything but "fitting to the manga", which doesn't mean it's not interesting (me, myself, I think the most interesting thing about it is being able to get to know Creta a little better), nor that it's not cannon. The movie is "cannon to the 2009 series" and never to the manga, since the manga was only written by one writer and one writer alone, and that's Arakawa. But it's undoubtful that the "filler movie" is cannon to the 2009 series and, therefore, whether manga's fans like it or not, it is cannon, just as much as the other addictions of the 2009 series, like the "meeting between Mustang and Hughes". Since all versions of FMA have their own adaptations, it leads to a "third wheel" sort of thing with the 2009 anime only material. Turdaewen (talk) 02:54, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

By the way, doesn't "canon" with one N mean writing, while "Cannon" with two means the weaponry? Just fixing your typos there, but, I agree completely. If Arakawa said anything about it "taking place between anything", it was probably just for publicity. I never saw it as canon with the manga, because even the anime series based off it doesn't follow it 100%; it has its own canon as well, similar to most anime adaptations of manga.

I just can't believe someone would actually use the argument of "Well, it's better than THESE movies" as a solid defense. The entire franchises of Bleach, Naruto, and One Piece aren't built on story; they're built on marketing. For example, every single one of those won't ever end, because they're too much of a money maker. They're not lengthy due to their epic stories (compared with say, Berserk); they're long because the author likes to keep milking his cash cow. Simple as that. So, comparing the bottom of the barrel with anything proves nothing. Those series alone are pretty much why I dislike 95% of the shonen genre (apart from FMA, Kenshin, and Yu Yu Hakusho).Tommy-Vercetti (talk) 15:35, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oops... Yeah, English is not my mother language, as you well know, Tommy, so thanks for the correction! XD Anyways, I agree that it's not a very solid argument, but I'm not so keen as to state all (or even most) the "no ending" shonens are based on a mere marketing. In fact, I don't even think it's so much of an "author's choice", either, in the case of the japanese manga industry. It's a magazine's policy. Remember that all those mangas stated are published at Shounen Jump, whose company policy is to give priority to "continuous series".

We have some similar things (though not shounen at all) in Brazil as well: one of the most beloved comic series and that most kids read as they grow up, called Turma da Monica is being issued since the 60's, if I'm not mistaken. And it's a classic, and a really good one, actually. The same could be said about X-men, or Doraemon... or Tintin, from France (which I personally love). Or Asterix! I learned to speak French with Asterix! lol Something is not automatically bad, or marketing only, just because it's not a "closed series".

But in regards to Bleach, Naruto and others, my critics is to the fact that Shounen Jump have a very predatory sort of policy, that makes things "infinite" even if by force, which turns the series in its whole into something unbearable. And forces the authors to write something even if it doesn't make any sense, anymore. And the reason why I don't like Sacred Star of Milos, in particular, is that I feel the same predatory and senseless "aura" in it. It wouldn't sound forced if Arakawa chose to write a "Roy Mustang's movie" on its own, or to make a movie about the Armstrongs (how cool would that be?), but to make something that has "I don't wanna let go of FMA" written all over it is artificial and just plain sad.

Summarizing: not all infinite series are "all about the marketing", not all "about marketing" series are infinite, but all series that are all about the marketing are bad.

And about Arakawa's comment, she wasn't even trying to publish Sacred Star of Milos, she were merely "allocating it to an especific time and space" so that people could locate themselves while watching it. Turdaewen (talk) 19:10, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

But it's not Shonen Jump policy that all series never end. Yu Yu Hakusho had a coherant story and it ended (though, admittedly the manga got lazy towards the end, which is one of the reasons the anime surpasses it), but Kenshin, even moreso; it probably had one of the most fluent stories I've read. And, I mean, even the series that pretty much set the standard for most in its wake, Dragonball, even ended (though the author wanted to end it way earlier), but still, it ended. I've never been able to stomach Naruto or Bleach, but I did try to give One Piece a chance awhile ago, and it was okay for awhile, but then you realize that it's not leading to anything. It's literally just one adventure after another, and I've never liked that format. All stories, long or shot, should have a beginning, middle, and end. And those three especially are the biggest sellers, they don't lead up to anything, and thus, the authors will die before their series ever "end". Tommy-Vercetti (talk) 19:51, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, yes, it is a policy. Even they admit it in interviews. Which doesn't mean ALL series by Shounen Jump are endless, but it is their tendency and preference to take on continuous series. Just as it's Shounen Sunday's to have more "slice of life" mangas and Shounen GanGan's to have closed series (FMA was the most succesful of all of them and, therefore, also the longest, but GanGan has always privileged the 'short stories' writers and that's how they stablished such a long partnership with Arakawa). It's a company's profile. No more, no less. Yu Yu Hakusho, for example, ended sooner than expected due to Togashi's health, but it's not in Shounen Jump to take on stories shorter than, lets say, 20 volumes, which is a 'long series' by any book. And make no mistake: sooner or later, Bleach, Naruto and One Piece WILL end and, according to "standards", will have "a beginning, a middle and an end". In fact, if I'm not mistaken, Nishimoto even said recently that he's preparing to end Naruto.

And we have other magazines that follow a similar line, like Shounen Magazine, with Fairy Tail, for example...

Anyways, I don't agree with the idea that "all series should have a beginning, a middle and an end". I agree that all those that don't have a definite storyline because it's preocupied with marketing are bad, but, as I've said, I had many wonderful series in my life that were 'open' and weren't any less good because of it. I think it as two different 'arguments', being 'endless' and being 'marketing only', they have a tendency to coincide, but, still, they are two different things. Turdaewen (talk) 03:56, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the notice now for me to avoid pretty much Shonen Jump from now on. I do think you're mistaken about Yu Yu Hakusho though; I believe it ended earlier than expected because Togashi got into a fight with his editor, rather than his health. He was doing HunterxHunter at the time too, and I don't believe it was for health. Either way, it's a blessing in disguise, because the anime ended it right where it should have.

And about my preference, not all series are the same; sitcoms for example, they're episodic by nature and that works for them. But, for most anime series, even garbage like Bleach, Naruto and whatever attempt to have a story, but then, they never end it. That's literally akin to a great movie having a needless sequel for no reason. Unless it further expands the story, just end it. So, the fact that Shonen Jump has a policy now that all series have to be never-ending just shows exactly why that publication is such garbage now. It just goes to show you that the few great ones they got were far earlier before it degraded so badly. Either way, I tend to stay away from most shonen series for this same reason. It's made for 13 year old boys with ADD, not people who enjoy a good story and characterization. Tommy-Vercetti (talk) 18:34, October 9, 2012 (UTC)