User talk:Tommy-Vercetti

As far as the picture itself goes, I do think it's pretty good. I'd like to see an image of the "millisecond where he crushes the skull" if at all possible to judge it against the randomc image, but if it's not clearer, I think we can stick with this one. That being said, Nub888 does have a point about manga pictures as well as oversaturation of pictures. Some anime instances will simply be captured better in the manga than in the anime and certain pages aren't yet large enough to sustain more than a picture or two - if any at all. The speed at which you've been uploading and adding pictures isn't a bad thing, but it worries me a little. At this time it's still at a reasonably acceptable level, but a couple pictures are a bit too blurry. CorbeauKarasu 23:37, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Picture Frames
To be honest, I've always liked the pictures "naked", as it were. But someone (I forget who) argued that they looked unprofessional like that and began adding thumbnail frames to them all. It'd be nice to leave the pictures without the thumbnail part (most of these images have to be resized anyway, so that's not really an issue) but some pictures do require captions because they don't stand well on their own and, while we can include captions with naked pictures (wherein rolling the mouse over the image brings up a caption bar) we would run into the same problems regarding punctuation. There is a frame option so that images without captions would merely exist in a frame while framed images with captions would automatically include a space for that caption, but my experience with that tells me that pictures that are placed in a frame rather than a thumbnail box cannot be resized. If I'm incorrect about that, then huzzah we have a solution, but otherwise, I'm not so sure about removing all thumbnail frames. CorbeauKarasu 03:19, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that some pictures require captions; in fact, many do. Besides, if we resize them all, we may not be able to see details. So let the thumbnails be, at least for now. I'll try to remember to add periods to the captions. Kiadony 07:17, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sage Info
The land of Amestris is to the west of where Xerxes is and Xing is to the east of Xerxes. The titles don't refer to where the Sages ended up, but rather where they were from. To the people of Xing, the Sage came from the west, so they call him the Western Sage or the Sage of the West. But to the people of Amestris, the Sage came from the east, so they call him the Eastern Sage of the Sage of the East. In your mind, replace "of" with "from" and it'll make sense. CorbeauKarasu 20:15, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

That picture on Envy's page
The main one up the top, can you please be so kind to remind me what episode it's from? x.x;

It would be ever so awesome. Thanks.

AnimeHype 13:33, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

I can't really reply back to you on your page since you have no page, so I hope you check back here for the answer.

It's from Episode 41: Signs of a Counter-attack

If you notice, everyone (except Pride) has a similar style of image. Tommy-Vercetti 17:53, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Just what part of it, 'cause I was flipping through that episode before and found nothing. :C

AnimeHype 04:13, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

You must have flipped over it though. It's the part where Hohenheim talks to Pride in the underground. Tommy-Vercetti 14:34, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Ok.Hikaruyami-having fun* 15:25, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

What it all means
If you mean the green and orange numbers in parentheses, they're the number of letters or characters that have been added to or subtracted from each article by page edits over the course of the day. If someone changes a word, but switches it with a different word that contains the same number of letters, the parenthesized number will be zero. CorbeauKarasu 15:49, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Considering characters beating Homunculi
About that, I also found that interesting when it was just added, but then someone argued that Scar didn't really beat Wrath by himself, so it isn't on his page anymore. I've put it back, we'll se what happens. Kiadony 10:31, September 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * I used the same wording that was on Ed's page for Scar (with little to no help). And I don't think CK was the one who disagreed with these notes. Like I said, *I* agree that it was insightful and not coincidental, especially since it actually works for three of them. When I removed it earlier, I went with someone else's opinion, but I hope people will discuss it on talk pages if they doubt it. --Kiadony 17:19, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

All right, here's my take on the issue, then. I completely understand where the argument is coming from and it's a very interesting one, for sure. Like Kia, when it first showed up, I was all for it, but then someone brought up the fact that Scar hadn't defeated Wrath all on his own and that got me thinking some more. From where I stand, Roy's the one who definitely deserves the honor. Aside from being the one to kill Lust without anyone softening her up first, Roy is the first known human to ever kill a Homunculus at all. He proved that it could be done and from there on, it was simply a matter of who would be tenacious enough to match him. Definitely feats that deserve mention in his trivia section. However, though it is a really compelling theory to say that Roy, Scar and Ed were matched up against Homunculi who corresponded to their own worst sins, I personally can't really say I consider "lust" to be Roy's. Sure, he's a womanizer and he's got a reputation for being a ladies' man, but it doesn't really come up to the forefront of his character and certainly never gets in the way of his business. At least that's how I see it. Continuing on, while I see it as less of a stretch than Mustang's, I also wonder if "pride" is Edward's biggest personal flaw. I mean, sure he's vain as hell and you could say that's similar, but as for all-out pride, he's shown himself capable of letting his pride down if what he'll gain is important enough - like when he asked Envy for help inside Gluttony's stomach. I could even go so far as to suggest that either pride or wrath would suit Roy better. I'm personally doubtful, but there's still room for discussion, I suppose. For Scar, there's no doubt. It was his "wrath" that had been holding him back so long and the surprise I initially felt at the fact that Scar would be the one to fight Bradley to the death makes me think you may be right in suggesting that Arakawa planned for Scar to defeat Wrath symbolically. But then, like so many have said, Scar's win is the one with the biggest asterisk next to it. Even if you can't say Edward beat Pride all on his own, Pride brought his biggest handicap on himself by willingly sacrificing his Philosopher's Stone.
 * I was considering changing the notes myself by playing up Roy's accomplishment in killing Lust, changing the wording of Ed and Scar's accomplishments to "delivered the finishing blow to" and removing at least Roy and Ed's mentions regarding their personal sins, but like Kia said, they are points that probably deserve mention or at least discussion somewhere, so I'm not entirely sure how to continue. Thoughts? CorbeauKarasu 17:56, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * == 24.189.186.173 ==
 * You stupid god damit jerk. My edits were a wroth a quater. Don't be so freakin rude to me. Watch Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood or read the manga to get more info. You also miss out a lot of info from the anime Brotherhood. Don't just put "in the manga", put anime too you stubborn jackass.
 * You stupid god damit jerk. My edits were a wroth a quater. Don't be so freakin rude to me. Watch Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood or read the manga to get more info. You also miss out a lot of info from the anime Brotherhood. Don't just put "in the manga", put anime too you stubborn jackass.
 * You stupid god damit jerk. My edits were a wroth a quater. Don't be so freakin rude to me. Watch Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood or read the manga to get more info. You also miss out a lot of info from the anime Brotherhood. Don't just put "in the manga", put anime too you stubborn jackass.

^

Hahaha. Wow. Thanks. I needed a laugh.Tommy-Vercetti 23:46, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edit
That picture on General Hakuro was after the train incident which is in the 6th episode during the alchemy exam, one episode after the incident. I am planning to examine future appearances to prove that despite getting shot, the ear wound is missing. If you wish to look at the footage, try Hulu, since they have every episode from both series (subtitled format only). -Adv193 17:37, October 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Additonally here is a direct link . -Adv193 17:39, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Red or White
Ah, I see. Until you mentioned a red background, I didn't know what you meant. Sadly, like you said, it looks like our bitchin' black and red flamel background is gone =(. However, there is still the option of exchanging the red background site for a white one. In your preferences, the options are under Sit Layouts instead of "Skin". The Monobook option is the red one I assume you have, but for me, it altered straight to the New Wiki Look which is mostly white with some blue. If you hate the weird reddish pink, I'd suggest changing your preferences to New Wikia, but personally, it feels a little too sterile for me. While I do agree that it looks better than the maroon monobook, the monobook's web layout is similar to our usual style of operations, with most things in the same place and all the pages the same width. NWL is much narrower. I think it has a Recent activity box, but it's on the other side and shoves everything to the left instead. See which one you prefer. CorbeauKarasu 20:36, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

New Picture Style
It only works if you use the source HTML editor or manually input the HTML for images: As long as it doesn't have "thumb" in the HTML, there won't be a frame around it. There's a way to put the image in with a frame but no words, but it won't let you adjust the size so big images take up insane amounts of space. - CorbeauKarasu 71.239.1.84 01:29, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

No obsession my friend, I just thought it'd be nice to have another picture that involved him and the movie.

It's cool, dude
Don't worry about it. We all get frustrated. I can understand why continuity omissions would bother you; I get the same way about a bunch of books that become movies.

FUNimation has the tendency to shift lines around in their dubs in favor of stepping up humor and that doesn't always work, but a lot of their newer dubs pull it off pretty well without fudging information. I saw YYH dubbed first and, personally censorship in dubs is what makes me crazy, so YYH's uncut Adult Swim dub really appealed to me and I couldn't really perceive any problems with the plot. I watched it subbed a few years later, but the subs were bootlegged Chinese subs that made the story completely unintelligible, so I didn't even understand the final arc until about a year ago when I borrowed FUNi's uncut DVD release from someone. So I guess I don't know very much about the problems that came up with that series.

Some dubs are pretty lame, but there are a lot of dubs that are great, imo. Older series like Dragon ball, I prefer in Japanese - despite their iconic nature - but most of the newer series have great dubs and I prefer them in English. I prefer FMAB in Japanese, but that's just because I feel like the English actors aren't emoting passionately enough; most of the continuity errors were there in the Japanese version of the show. These days, it's likely the transition from manga to anime that'll screw with a series rather than the transition from Japanese to English. CorbeauKarasu 20:15, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Lyra picture
What do you mean? This picture was of better quality and exactly the same as the other, so I replaced the one before it. I don't see what the problem is.

Lin Yao
I wanted to apologize for my bad edit on the Lin Yao Page. It was not my intention. I'm not a vandal, and it's not that I don't know most of the rules of wikipedia (unless the rules on this wikia are different from the main wiki), it was an honest mistake. When I noticed my mistake I went to fix it by repasting the text that was there before my edit, but it didn't allow me too. I also looked for a history tab to revert my edit, but I couldn't find it. So again, I want to apologize for what happened to the Lin Yao Page. However, when you said that I haven't made a single good edit since I started editing this wiki your exaggerating. Other then the edit I made to the Lin Yao page, my edits have been small. They weren't bad at all. Redbird41 20:02, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Your wrong. The correct name would be "Lin Yao" per Viz's and Arakawa's names. So my small edits weren't bad, just that last big one that I made. And I'm sorry for that. Redbird41 20:57, June 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * No YOU'RE wrong. Viz does not know how to translate properly. Notice that names people and things (like the Ishvalans and cens) changes part way through the story? It's because Viz thinks they can change translators whenever they want, and the translators think they don't have to talk to each other. His name is Ling, like it or not. Fullmetal Fan 22:20, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Notice how I said Viz and Arakawa. Disagree with Viz as much as you like, it doesn't change the fact that Arakawa sais his name is Lin. If you don't like it you'll just have to cope. Ling sounds better to me, but it doesn't change the fact that his name is Lin. Redbird41 22:23, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

All right Mr. Jerk, you have made a point. But I will continue to add to this wiki.

Envy
I'm wondering why you cut the Last Words section on Envy's page so short. Shouldn't everything be there? If not, then I can go to Lust's page and change her last words to "That day will come... very... soon..." for you.

Also, what did you mean by re-reading the chapter where Envy dies? I was referring to my copy of Vol. 23 when editing the page. I don't use fan-made scanlations as a reference, because I consider the Viz translation- horribly translated and all- to be canon.

Keep up the good work. Sage Advice 17:28, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

At first, I didn't know what you were doing. I didn't write that article, so I have no idea why they chose to only include "Bye Bye" but you can expand upon it if you want. Though, you don't need to do a full paragraph like you did before. But, I think we should keep "Bye bye" it's a little more... poignant from Envy than just "Farewell."Tommy-Vercetti 17:41, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well, neither "Bye bye" nor "Farewell" were in Envy's last words. Like with other characters, I think all of Envy's dying 'speech' should be included. It doesn't really make sense to only include fragments that the FMAwiki community likes. Sage Advice 20:28, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

I catagorize "last words" as literally the last thing they say before dying. I get what you're saying about how it should include their "official" last words, but literally, the final thing Envy ever spoke was "Bye Bye, Edward Elric" Not the speech that preceeds it.

We included Lust's speech for example because she died immediately upon saying it. Same with Sloth, Wrath, and just about anyone else.

Envy gave his speech, but then he proceeded to tear out his stone, and, about a full minute later, he finished it with "Bye Bye" and that speech then to me doesn't classify something as "Last words"Tommy-Vercetti 21:04, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds right. I guess it'll stay that way. Sage Advice 12:03, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

supposedly childish words
These words were not really childish, you know... If I'd wrote wiener or dick, THAT would be childish. "Private parts" sounds not childish at all. --Boris Baran 18:39, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Here's a mature way of writing it: "Groin area" "genitalia"

I agree that "Dick" or whatever would be more immature, but writing "private parts" sounds just as bad. That's something you say as an elementary schooler in front of mom to not get in trouble. Tommy-Vercetti 19:42, July 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, point taken, "genitalia" sounds better. And English isn't my mother tongue, either, to be honest. My German is MUCH better...--Boris Baran 20:05, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thank You
Thanks for the help, but these IPs won't stop until someone blocks them, so keep your guard up. -Adv193 21:18, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Lebis article that doesn't exist yet
I figured that since Lebis exists, even if only in one of the games, that it could be a viable article for the wiki and therefore is not "pointless". BrokenSphere (Talk) 21:48, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

I really hate creating pages on random video game locations though. They probably won't be more than two sentences and aren't especially canon, nor important enough to even warrant a page.

If you create it and it's a worthwhile page, then by all means, add the link again on that page. It's not difficult.Tommy-Vercetti 21:51, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, you could probably argue that the game-only characters aren't important or canon either. However given that the intent of this wiki is "everything Full Metal Alchemist", there's no real reason not to have such articles, even if they can't go beyond stub status. However in this case I won't redlink the Lebis reference in the Elma article. BrokenSphere  (Talk) 22:06, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but characters have a little bit more to offer in articles (especially ones that take pivotal roles in the games) rather than just where they take place.
 * I can't imagine an article about the city beyond something like "Is the setting of the FMA game" Unless something really tremendous happens there, so, it really isn't worth creating a page for. The passing mention on the character pages are literally more than enough.
 * Even the huge countries/cities in the actual canon don't have too much on them when compared to character pages.Tommy-Vercetti 22:09, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Be careful when making this kind of article since the 2003 anime character Karen has used the name Lebi as her alias which is confirmed with the english subtitles. -Adv193 18:52, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Be careful when making this kind of article since the 2003 anime character Karen has used the name Lebi as her alias which is confirmed with the english subtitles. -Adv193 18:52, July 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's why templates like About exist and is used in several instances as this sort of thing happens a lot with FMA. BrokenSphere  (Talk) 18:59, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Broken's right, though. I don't know anything about Lebis, so I'll hold off on it personally unless no one else does it (great modding, right?) but every stand-alone location like a town or known country, should have a page to itself, even if there's only a sentence or two of information. CorbeauKarasu 20:44, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Your trivia note
In addition to your trivia note, the matter of the government designated camps in brought up again in Episode 36: The Sinner Within (2003 series) which was the final time the Ishvalan refugees were used in the story prior to the epilogue in the series finale. Since I used the footage from the episode on Hulu in subbed format I made sure to write that down when I made the summary with that material. -Adv193 18:52, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

What are you saying though? Are you going to add it? Do you want me to? Or are you just telling me for the sake knowing? Tommy-Vercetti 19:07, July 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sure you can add it if you want since you know more about it at the moment than I do and anyway if wish to see the footage, Funimation has it available for streaming right now. I just wanted to make to inform you that more than one episode has this information. -Adv193 19:44, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for all the great editing on the FMA wikia. A year ago when I would come here it was really a mess with inaccuracies and bad grammar, and I couldn't stay for long without going completely OCD on it, haha. Looks so much better now! Keep up the awesome work.

PS, on your profile you talked about why the first anime was a crime against the original series and why the Brotherhood dub could have been much better, and I couldn't agree more. I'm a die-hard fan for the manga as well. :)

Thanks, I'm glad you agree, but really, the credit for the current state of this site shouldn't go to me. While it's true I help out a lot, the biggest thanks should go to CorbeauKarasu. He's the main driving force behind this place, writing-wise and content-wise. Though, the rest of the regulars (myself included) take care in preserving what we have, and constantly improving it.Tommy-Vercetti 16:58, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

you be quiet ill keep editing all i want. i can edit and you cant stop me

you cant band me hahahahahahahaha

I'm the one really laughing here, moron. Tommy-Vercetti 20:07, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Chibi Party screenshot
I selected an image that has Noah in it. How is this "not relevant" and where is the harm in showing how the characters appear in other mediums? BrokenSphere (Talk) 20:13, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

It's a non-canon OVA, we don't need to see "proof" that she's in it. It's a pointless addition. It's an interesting fact via text only, but then to further elaborate on it, it's stupid.

Imagine if you were reading an article on something random like "Hair color" then you see a bit of trivia "Many people choose to dye their hair color" followed by a picture of a bleached-blonde. Didn't need the image, it adds nothing, and it's obvious and pointless to further elaborate on.Tommy-Vercetti 20:15, July 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * You didn't pick a good counterexample. Especially for something like hair color, something showing a dye that doesn't occur naturally in people (e.g. a shade of green) would add value, as would other examples. Maybe this doesn't add value for you, but you are not thinking about other readers who it might add value for. Why not let the image stay in, start a discussion about it, and if there are compelling reasons to keep in or out, then decide? BrokenSphere  (Talk) 20:27, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * She's barely in the background. It's not relevant information. The picture works in the actual Chibi page, because, hence, it's about it. But just to know that the minorest of minor characters is there via not only text but also an additional picture is ludicrous. God, why are all the overly stubborn people who come here obsessed about Rose in every sense? If you really need to have a picture, find one of that scene of her and Winry arguing or whatever. That picture you keep wanting is the worst. She's not doing anything of importance and is barely in the background. Pictures should be relevant to the topic at hand, not just "Oh, well, she's in this picture, I guess that means we should add it." You act like other users who care too much about Rose won't ever be able to find your picture if it's not on that exact page. You know, if it were me and I wanted to read more about her role in the Chibi OVA, I'd go to OVA page... and look! Gasp! There it is! What's the problem? Tommy-Vercetti 20:30, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * She's barely in the background. It's not relevant information. The picture works in the actual Chibi page, because, hence, it's about it. But just to know that the minorest of minor characters is there via not only text but also an additional picture is ludicrous. God, why are all the overly stubborn people who come here obsessed about Rose in every sense? If you really need to have a picture, find one of that scene of her and Winry arguing or whatever. That picture you keep wanting is the worst. She's not doing anything of importance and is barely in the background. Pictures should be relevant to the topic at hand, not just "Oh, well, she's in this picture, I guess that means we should add it." You act like other users who care too much about Rose won't ever be able to find your picture if it's not on that exact page. You know, if it were me and I wanted to read more about her role in the Chibi OVA, I'd go to OVA page... and look! Gasp! There it is! What's the problem? Tommy-Vercetti 20:30, July 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * If the last sentence here isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.


 * The problem with your suggestion is that that shot doesn't exist as the 2 never get into an argument. If you have a better idea of something that does exist, let's hear it.


 * I actually think that a better shot for the OVA section would be something showing more of the characters, not this particular one. It just so happens that this one is there at the moment. If that were the case, the proposed solution wouldn't work.


 * Here are 2 manga examples of what you're complaining about, using an illustration to accompany a text description with the subject highlighted, no less: Buccaneer and Maes Hughes. Again, this image is relevant to the topic at hand, as it is to the other characters in that shot. At least one of the other shots of Noah has much more going on whereas this one is "stable" by comparison. If I thought that image was a better candidate I would have used it instead. Just because you don't see any value in it being on the page itself doesn't mean that other people may not find value and if I didn't think it was relevant, then I wouldn't have bothered to upload it.


 * BrokenSphere (Talk) 22:08, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I don't waste my time watching crappy 2003 anime stuff. I only glanced upon your writing in the article and saw something about "Winry and her argue about if she really loves Ed or not" so by that rationale, I assumed there might be an image of it happening. If there's not even that much, then it's entirely pointless, ever, to mention her role in that Chibi thing.
 * You call the Bucanneer and Hughes things trivial? That's actually two things:
 * 1. An interesting, relevant fact. (not some non-canon Chibi skit thing)
 * 2. For something like that, you need a visual aid to see it, and it's highlighted to show it exactly.
 * I assume you're talking about their appearances in chapter 107. No one cares about "Noah". No one cares about including info about non-canon skits onto character pages. Let me get one thing perfectly clear to you: if that non-canon Chibi OVA was specifically about Noah or provided further insight into the character, or was a big part of her character, then that picture would be appropriate (there'd probably be a section regarding it).
 * It's nothing. She has the minorest of roles, doesn't do anything, so it's not needed to SEE what she looks like as a chibi. It's not relevant.
 * I'm through arguing this. I really don't like you at all. And, keep on adding that picture, I'll remove it everytime. So, there you go. End of discussion. Tommy-Vercetti 22:16, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I assume you're talking about their appearances in chapter 107. No one cares about "Noah". No one cares about including info about non-canon skits onto character pages. Let me get one thing perfectly clear to you: if that non-canon Chibi OVA was specifically about Noah or provided further insight into the character, or was a big part of her character, then that picture would be appropriate (there'd probably be a section regarding it).
 * It's nothing. She has the minorest of roles, doesn't do anything, so it's not needed to SEE what she looks like as a chibi. It's not relevant.
 * I'm through arguing this. I really don't like you at all. And, keep on adding that picture, I'll remove it everytime. So, there you go. End of discussion. Tommy-Vercetti 22:16, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm through arguing this. I really don't like you at all. And, keep on adding that picture, I'll remove it everytime. So, there you go. End of discussion. Tommy-Vercetti 22:16, July 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know that you hate the original series, but this wiki being what it is, and it's not the FMA:B and manga-only wiki, the whole FMA universe needs to be covered. I'm assuming that there are things in the 2003 continuity (tell me if I'm wrong, maybe the whole thing and everything related to it) and maybe also in the GTA wiki that you mention that you work with that you find pointless or disagree with and don't think belong respectively here or there.  However if the wiki as it currently exists doesn't cover them, then it's not doing its job.  There are probably characters that I can't stand or care less about either, but they are there, whether in the 2003 series, 2009 series, manga, movies, games, you name it.  That's the reality of what we have to work with and you and I have to deal with it, whether we agree with them being there or not.  Since these are 2 viewpoints, I'm curious to hear others on this issue.


 * In regards to your comment about liking me or not - thank you for sharing. And please - you've already seen that I prefer to talk things out with people when there's a disagreement instead of engaging in edit warring, getting frustrated by having to revert edits I disagree with over and over again, and letting my frustration become obvious.   BrokenSphere  (Talk) 02:24, July 20, 2011 (UTC)