User talk:NaokoElric2250

What could possibly make you believe the FMA manga storyline is sexist? It's one of the few major modern shonen series that depicts its women as being just as capable - if not moreso - than their male counterparts in just about every field. Emotionally and physically, the women of FMA are the types of characters that embody the very ideal of feminism in manga. Winry Rockbell, Riza Hawkeye, Izumi Curtis, Olivier Armstrong, Pinako Rockbell, Trisha Elric, Maria Ross, Lan Fan and Lust are all paragons of strength. CorbeauKarasu 04:43, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Laughs* You really are this blind as the vast majority of the FMA fan base? http://naokoelric2250.deviantart.com/art/A-Rant-On-Fullmetal-Alchemist-181630838 (this will save space).NaokoElric2250 16:52, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

But this whole "The author is a woman, so that means..." is more sexist than anything I can even think of. Tommy-Vercetti 14:35, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

You are still blind. Did you even read and try to understan where I am coming from? "If Harry Potter’s so magical, why can't he cure his own eyesight and get laid?" NaokoElric2250 16:52, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

You're free to believe whatever you want to, but it doesn't belong on the actual articles. We're trying to maintain an unbaised encyclopedia on FMA, it isn't the place for opinions. As for the reasoning; I think your argument in and of itself is sexist. "I can't believe a WOMAN wrote this"Right there, that's justifying that women can only act and view the world one certain way.

And, keep in mind, while the author may infact be a woman, she knew was writing a series geared towards young men; it's a shonen story, so of course it has tons of shonen formula in it. She even uses a male pen-name to avoid putting off some boys if they just happened to say "Oh, this was written by a woman, it sucks then", which, of course, is an insanely stupid way of thinking, but, it exists, unfortunately.

Your entire argument to me was basically "THEY HAVE BOOBS, WHICH MAKES THEM HAWT, AND THAT'S SEXIST" That was ludicrous honestly. She's sexist for drawing women... how 99% of women look? Hate to tell you but men and women do look different. I seriously can't believe you think the bust sizes in FMA are like supermodel size. Have you ever seen a real woman? They look perfectly normal to me; no one is huge. Take a look at some obvious fanservice animes and you'll see what I mean. But the fact that you think just because no mature character has a small chest means that Arakawa looks down on smaller bust is insane. That's on the same vein of "Look at those damn women walking down the street with their normal breast sizes! It's just a slap on the face to smaller women!" I guess you forgot Pinako. Uh-oh! Small breasts! I guess she must be Arakawa's least favorite character.

As for the slender build men; sure, good luck finding a man with that kind of shape, but, you're missing a key element. Think about who all these people are. Ed battles constantly, wow, he's in shape because of that?! Really?! And Bucanneer; a Briggs soldier; who better else than to be a large, stocky man?

Everyone else is in the military; wow, you mean soliders keep in shape?! Really?!

See these characters for who they are, where they come from and maybe you can see exactly why they look like they do. Everyone is in the military and leads a hard life; too bad there aren't any couch potato characters in the series, but I don't think that's the story Arakawa wanted to tell.

Let's talk about Lust for example; well, she's called LUST for a reason. There's a reason she was supposed to be "seductive" looking, and in a comic aimed at young men, what more to do you think of that someone like her to reprsent "Lust" It's what most people in the entire world would even think of; double standards exist within every culture about gender, but you seem to think that means they mean nothing but disrespect to gender. Ironic that you judge solely on body shape and gender, when no one else here does that. Who's really sexist here? Might want to try a mirror.

And now about personalities. Let's use Winry. Just because Winry cries (even though she, just like your Harry Potter example helps out the cast and is more mature than both of them and more than just a trophy girlfriend) doesn't mean that's the author's viewpoint on what women are. Just like men... gasp, women have different personalities too. Olivier is a woman and you never see her cry; Ed's cried more than her, the main MALE character. Stop judging by gender and judge based on personality; otherwise you're always going to see it like this. It makes me wonder if you only read maybe the first volume or something and not the entire thing. You're judging Winry as she first appeared like you've never seen her do anything else.

But this whole "The author is a woman, so that means..." is more sexist than anything I can even think of.

You can write and you argue well, but your basic point is flawed. Equality for women is not achieved by replacing all men with women, but by depicting women as being equally varied and equally capable as men. Usually in shonen like Naruto and Bleach, female strength is played as a gag and women are delegated strictly to the role of nurse/mother; their wills are depicted as weak and they are constantly having to be saved. but in FMA, the women are as unique and capable as the men. You can make arguments about Winry, but she is remarkably intelligent and has a very strong will. Crying doesn't represent weakness and Ed, Al, Roy, Van Hohenheim and Alex Armstrong have all shed tears over the course of the series. Winry takes her skill and intelligence and goes out into the world of her own accord. She doesn't stay in Resembool; she moves to Rush valley to pursue her own career and become a big name in engineering. Hawkeye is Roy's subordinate, but she shows herself to be an extremely skilled and intelligent combatant and her will falters less than Roy's does. Lan Fan's will in cutting off her arm spurred the more timid Ling into a similar strength as well.

The only supposedly macho man in the series, Alex, is a remarkably sensitive person, subverting the usual stereotype of "musclewoman" frequently seen in more sexist shonen titles and his sister Olivier is of a higher rank than Mustang with her own male subordinate to display that either situation is equally possible. Izumi Curtis is exactly as strong and skilled as Edward himself, if not moreso. Again, it isn't replacing men with women, but showing that women are just as capable as men, that leads to equality. In this, FMA is heads and tails above a great number of popular shonen (and even a lot of shoujo) titles. CorbeauKarasu 15:11, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, you have said what the other fools have. I am not the fool, I am seeing things for what they are. You are the one who is being biased. I said the same times you mentioned. And crying to much is a large sign of weakness in woman.

It matters not that the series is geared towards boys.

They are as wrong as wrong as you. I did know about Pinako, but she is an old woman, what do you except? the Oliver things matters not. Oliver is an older woman. Also Edward never cried in front of Winry in the manga, did he?! But WINRY cried in front of him.

I am judging on personality and the personality Winry was given was too feminine and sexist.

Also did you not that I am not the only one who thinks this? Winry is barely in the story for long enough to do anything significant.

Woman of the modern day are still being discriminated against, still are in sexist roles, still are weak in many aspects.

I am not sexist, I am a real woman. I do not cry for pathetic reasons, I do not serve men, I believe woman are as capable as men at most things (except the obvious things like when it comes to the toilet) and I am not some housewife, nor I am trying to get into a feminine job. I want to go into politics.

I understand soldiers must be fit, not all soldiers are so very buff and I mentioned Armstrong in the rant in a good way.

Shoujos mainly have a female protagonists. Take “Sailor Moon” for example. Yes the female characters tend to get into trouble, and the outfits do look a little impractical, but to balance the “woman being in trouble” we have Mamoru, and most the of villains are female.

I also said I know series that have worse sexist than "Fullmetal Alchemist", such as "Naruto" liker you. "Bleach" is a bit better though. As for One Piece, it canbe bad for that too. It is clear you have not read what I have said, and that you are not trying to have an open mind.NaokoElric2250 16:52, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, you're using shojo anime as a POSITIVE example? Maybe you should read what CK said; it's not about replacing the cast with females over men, which you seem to think it is.

Let's talk about shojo anime, like Sailormoon that tries to be "action".

Do they ever fist fight? Nope. Do they ever get bloodied? Nope. How do they fight? With weirdo magical powers. So what is the author trying to say? That women can't fight like men? That they have to rely on whimsy to get the job done? If I go by how you think, that's exactly what it's saying. I want action with women, but we can't get the bloodied because they're all too beautiful, frail, and weak, so let's use magic.

I guess maybe you forget too how each and every person looks in that series. Talk about anorexic supermodels.

See how you're defending the more sexist series solely because they have more women in the cast? Tommy-Vercetti 15:31, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

I was talking about the manga of “Sailor Moon”. It was more action oriented. Hotaru had a frigging mechanical body and did well (well, before her re-birth).

What about “Black Lagoon” then? After from some of the outfits, “Black Lagoon” is a great feminist series, as it contains many strong woman, and was written by a man. Roberta is arguably the strong character in the series, and she can kill people while wearing a French maid uniform! And Fabiola is catching up fast. Revy is also quite powerful. She fights more than Dutch, I think. "If Harry Potter’s so magical, why can't he cure his own eyesight and get laid?" - Frankie Boyle 15:44, April 15, 2011 (UTC)NaokoElric2250

Shojo series are pretty sexist. The Sailor Moon type ones are full of females for sure, but they're full of ditzy females who wear maids outfits in their normal lives and tight-fitting outfits when they fight. The Inu-Yasha type ones have a girl that can't do anything for herself until she finds an awesome man who can protect her fom all the bad things. As for Winry crying, she eventually stops crying and even makes a pact with herself to do it. And let me tell you, if both your parents were murdered and you found the killer, you would probably cry too. I'm even sure most guys would cry, I think I would.--Fullmetal Fan 16:32, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oh wow, I never took a good look at your edits on the Arakawa until now. Wiki pages are not a place for opinion.--Fullmetal Fan 16:35, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

I already said what you did about the Shoujo series’. Did ou ont read it? But Shonen is far more discriminating.

It does not matter that she stopped crying, she already did ad she breaks by crying when Edward and Alphonse return restored just keep in with the soppy “I’ll make you cry tears of joy” rubbish.

I would NOT cry at that as I am not a weak woman. It had been nearly TEN years since they died. That is plenty of time to get over it. I would stand up to them like a real woman. I would not shoot, but I would feebly collapse in tears either ESPECIALLY when it was in font of people. If woman want to cry, keep it in private instead of insulting us strong woman. I cry in private (rarely though). Besides, my fathercan go to hell. NaokoElric2250 16:47, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

I will also remind you that I am not the only one wo belives "fullmetal Alchemist is sexst. Look at the other rant and the comments. NaokoElric2250 17:03, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ugh. "I would not cry"

You know, I can say "I wouldn't quake in my boots in front of an entire gang of thugs who wanted me dead" but that doesn't make it true.

You really think highly of yourself to the point of it being fantastical. I don't know how old you are, but you literally come off as 12 to me. A cocky 12 year old feminist who uses anime as her life substitute. How ironic that you told me that I'm narrowminded, you don't even listen to what anyone else is saying; if you're so convinced you're right, keep living it inside that little head of yours and whatever, but don't bring others into it.

Give me a solid debate with facts and I'd be more than willing to hear the other side. You have failed to do so. All I've seen out of you is "I'm strong!" (Or so you think, but I have my doubts in real life) and thus you think that every single female in the world, fictional or not who isn't exactly how you see yourself is sexist. Take a good long look at this page, at what everyone has said; I think you'll find the only sexist person here is yourself. Tommy-Vercetti 17:21, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Of course I would be scared a group of thugs. I do ont lie

I am not twelve, I am seventeen and I do not use anime as my "Life substitute". I am most definitely not cocky, many people say I put myself down too much and I know I have low self-esteem.

Woman have been treated like crap for years, and many still fit the old stereotype. Even now, we still do not have equality. It is a lit expected for a male author to choose to discriminate against woman, but I know a few good male authors. But a female author willingly choosing to do what I feel is discrimination and sexism against woman? No, I cannot acceot that.

Also, stop picking on me when I have stated several times that I am not the only one who thinks FMA is sexist. Not once have you mentioned the other rant or the comments I put on my own rant. You are just singling ME out. Are you scared to challenge the others who agree with? Do you want to make only ME look bad?

I have provided plenty of evidence from the manga. I am sick sexism in real life and fiction. Simply because I do not agree with you does not mean I am ignoring your words. That is a rather stupid way to think.

Wow, my example went clean over your head.

Try and read things more slowly since I know I typed it correctly to show you how your statement was BS.

The fact that you think FMA is sexist and that the author literally went out of her way to degrade women shows that you've never read beyond a single chapter.

Maybe you have, but the fact that you like SAILOR MOON and all that other garbage which is such jerk off nerd fodder where women are all stock cliches, archetypes, barely two dimensional at best, shows that your way of thinking has some serious holes in it.

I'm done wasting my time on you. I'm going to be frank, you're thick headed and a moron. Simple as that. I honestly don't know why you even bothered to come here and insult the one anime that everyone here enjoys, other than to just cause trouble. Deny it, but that's all I see here. Tommy-Vercetti 18:01, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Again, you are being biased. We both have different interpretations of FMA and “Sailor Moon”. You have read the whole manga. You have not read the “Sailor Moon” MANGA. I am not speaking of the ANIME, I am speaking of the MANGA. It is clear yu have read that. I personally think YOU are the ignorant, arrogant, close-minded person who cannot see past your own and false claim what I am saying is “BS”. You are just as arrogant as the rest of the fan-girls/fan-boys. I am a FAN of FMA not a “Fan-girl”, and depending on your gender, you are one of the fan-boys/fan-girls, who think this series is one of the best things ever and you get annoyed when someone insults that previous series and gives a negative opinion on it.

Really, your immaturity is hilarious.

I also stated I am not here to "cause trouble", another thing yor too immature to realise. I was stating an opinon you disagree with, with was backed up with eveidence, you did not like it. It is that simple I am afraid.