Talk:Amestris

I heart full metal alchemist--208.66.198.110 18:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Ishval
In the main definition of Amestris, it's stated: "The province of Ishval, which was annexed to Amestris 14 years before the beginning of the series, in the East of Amestris, is ethnically and culturally different of the rest of country: the people there are very religious, and most of them are against alchemy."

But, according to the manga, there was no annexation of Ishval: it was already a part of Amestris prior to the Ishval Civil War, and exacty because of that, it was called a Civil War and not an Annexation War. It is unknow when did Amestris invaded that nation.--Turdaewen 12:16, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

To me, it seems that Ishval (according to the manga) is simply a province or state of some source in Amestris--Full Metal Fan 06:39, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

That`s exactly my point! Though it seems as if, someday, Ishval might have been a State of its own, it has been part of Amestris for a lot longer than 14 years. But that has been changed in the article, already. Ishval is a nation, not a State.Turdaewen 12:12, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Citizens
Amestrians or Amestrisians? The Viz manga translation has it "Amestrian", but the FUNimation subtitles for Brotherhood has it as "Amestrisian". I'm partial to Amestrian, but I'm not sure which one y'all think makes more sense. In the end, we'll have to settle on one or the other for all pages. CorbeauKarasu 04:37, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it should be "Amestrians"... There's no right or wrong in this case, since it's a choice of translation and not something already stablished in the Japanese version.... I go with "Amestrians". It sounds better, to me. Turdaewen 13:47, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Etnic Groups
It's very common to see people (especially after that chapter in FMA:B on Ishval) regarding Amestrian as being "blue eyed and blonde" people, if not completely, at least dominant, but just like every expansionist country, Amestris has a great mixture of 'typical appearence'. We have VERY few characters in FMA who are actually blonde with blue eyes. As I recall, from the main cast, the only ones that do are the Armstrong family and Winry (and consequently, her parents). I'm not completely convinced that Arakawa even intended to make Amestrians as a especific etnic group, having people with both dark and light hair, eyes and skins mixed up in the country.

Miles, for example, passed out as a "normal Amestrian" by merely covering his eyes, meaning that, although all ishvalans have tanned skin, the only really different trace their carry is their reddish eyes.

Although in that Flashback of Ishval showed the 'blue eyes', I believe it was only for dramatic proposes and I don't see any strong grounds to affirm that as a tendency among Amestrian people. Turdaewen 21:04, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

You're completely right. We've seen a number of blond-haired, blue eyed characters, but that by no means suggests that those characteristics are indicative of any dominant ethnic group within the country. Outside the stigma associated with Ishvalans, there doesn't appear to be any sort of ethnic differentiation in Amestris' normal social climate. Since the whole population is so smoothly diverse, I'd assume that people of different ethnicities were members of the different former countries that became a part of the larger nation of Amestris as it grew, but it seems that the whole population considers itself an amalgam, largely ignoring race. CorbeauKarasu 21:38, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Stratocracy vs Dictatorship
Let it be known that Amestris has more in common with a Stratocracy than a Dictatorship. Edited in. AzureSN 23:02, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

That's actually quite controverse, cause Amestris has things in common to both forms of Government, and, at the same time, is neither. Stratocracy is a very specific sort of state that has no real examples since the Roman Empire... (and, lets face it, Amestris is a lot closer to a Modern Authoritarian State than to Rome)

Although I also think it has things in common with the Stratocracy, I don't think we have evidences enough to affirm that it has MORE in common with it than to Dictatorship... I think we should analyze it more carefully before stating anything. The only thing we can affirm is that they have a Militarist sort of government. Turdaewen 03:02, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. ^^ CorbeauKarasu 03:16, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

That's not to say that Amestris doesn't have things in common with Stratocracy, but to question how far should we link Amestris to it with so little information about how the government was before King Bradley. And, also, how far can we go as to say Amestris has a military culture (which is one of the main aspects of a Stratocracy) in the long term, especially since the population seems to be so relutant towards the government.

It may be even so that there's a link between Amestris to Stratocracy, but to jump to conclusions would be problematic in that sense.Turdaewen 03:23, August 3, 2010 (UTC)