Talk:Van Hohenheim

I think "Hohenheim of Light" should be made into a different article than "Van Hohenheim" since the anime/manga versions are vastly different to each other, especially their Pre-FMA histories.

Thoughts?

Logic in family
If "father" is hohenheim's son then dosent that make "father" ed and al's brother

If so, then yes. Either way, they're all related by blood, so Father is either Ed and Al's brother or uncle depending on how you look at it. And don't forget that blood carries over to the Homunculi as well. I did always think Envy and Edward looked alike :P CorbeauKarasu 19:07, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

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 * Yeah and there was actually a FMA omake that made fun of it: [http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x57/live4him4eva001/fmavol23_02scanlated.jpg right here.
 * Kiadony 19:15, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Lol I like the look on Glutonny's and Pride's facesThe stooge 05:17, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

In a part of the manga Hohenheim was in a place where they didn´t know alchemy

I actually think you should make two boxes for characters appearing in both the 2003 anime and the manga/2009 anime.

Like, for Envy for example; there's one box. "Motives: *manga motives*" but then you have to throw in his 2003 anime motives with an * to signify a difference. That's too crowded in my opinion. There should be two boxes. Manga/Brotherhood Envy and 2003 Envy.

Cornwiggle 22:19, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hohenheim made father. I don't think that will make them family because father is a humunculus.Grim13 19:02, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

Parallel Hohenheim
Well, I wouldn't say it creates a plot hole, really. Whether the parallel world counterpart has the same appearance and birthdate, it is not necessarily true that they die at the same time. Edward continued to survive after his own counterpart died and Al continued to survive after Alfons died as well - not to mention the difference in physical and mental age between them due to Al's alchemical "reset". If Hohenheim does have a counterpart on Earth, that person - lacking alchemical power - would have died centuries ago. Even the counterpart of his current body would be way too old to be alive during WWI, much less WWII. CorbeauKarasu 16:19, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

The way I see it, his counterpart was dead already, and the counterpart of his new body was possibly dead as well. Therefore, when Hohenheim travelled through the gate, his whole body went through. We know this is possible because this happens to Edward after his counterpart dies.--Full Metal Fan 16:59, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Glasses Discrepancy
It was possible for Hoeinheim to aquire glasses back in xerxes because on one of the last episodes when he has flshbacks about people he knew their is a child studying and he has glasses on so im requesting an edit to that portion of the trivia section

Firstly, Hohenheim never had glasses at all in Xerxes. Secondly, each one of the actual "images" of the souls within him is anime only. In the manga, he merely mentions them, but they are never seen. With the anime's inclusion of that little scholar boy with glasses, they created a minor continuity error. That's all it is though. Tommy-Vercetti 23:03, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

oh i understand my bad :D ~cannibusCAT

Hohenheim's Birthplace
In the box for his birthplace it says Xerxes, but isnt he a slave? why would they inslave thier own people? So shouldn't it say "Unknown"? I could be wrong about this though...

-BeatBoxer31

It is not mandatory that a person should be from a different country/culture in order to be enslaved. In Ancient Greece, for example, most slaves were due to loss of citzenship matters, such as financial debts... Many times, they would even be born in the same city they have been enslaved on. The same happened in India, where the structure of caste would make some people naturally born as servant to others.

Moreover, we have for a fact that Hohenheim was born in Xerxes both from his physical appearence, because he was promptly accepted as a citizen once he received alchemical knowledge and, more strongly, he's refered to as "Xerxian" at the guidebooks.Turdaewen 10:31, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

I see, very good point. Thank you

-BeatBoxer31

Homunculus Tag
I don't see why the Homunculus tag shouldn't be on this page. I see your point that he's a human with a Philosopher's stone in him CK, but we consider Wrath and second Greed homunculi and they're in the same situation. Some of the characters don't seem to consider Hohenheim human, when Fu feels Hohenheim's presence he asks Edward "your father is not human?" This could be because he doesn't know Hohenheim's story, but Ed's reply shows no sing that he considers Hohenheim human either. I feel he's a humanoid homunculus in the same way Wrath and the second Greed are, I'm curious as to what other people think. Fullmetal Fan 17:00, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Wrath and Greed literally had the stone shoved into them, forcing their bodies to adapt to it. Hence how they can age as well, while Hohenheim is forever ageless, as is Father. It's just not the same. Didn't Hohenheim at one point say that it was just infused to his soul, but he still had a normal human body? While the human-based homunculi it seems only have the stone powering their bodies. It's complicated and hard to explain, but they're not the same, nor do I think Hohenheim should be considered a Homunculus. Tommy-Vercetti 17:09, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * That makes sense. Fullmetal Fan 17:20, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right: he's not an Homunculus. Tecnically, not even Ling is an Homunculus, since he has an homunculus within him, but he, himself, is human. In the case of Wrath, on the other hand, we are not sure if he remained a human or not cause we don't know if the soul that survived inside of him was actually his own, but either cases are utterly different from Hohenheim: Wrath is an Homunculus, Greed is an Homunculus... King Bradley (as before the transformation) is not, and neither is Ling.
 * It's important to make the difference that what categorizes a Homunculus is not having a Philosopher Stone inside them, but being an "artificially created human being" and, in that sense, the only character in FMA who's a (true) Homunculus is Father. Let me explain: the seven homunculi are parts of Father, they are not individuals dettached from their source, which is Father's soul. So they are Homunuli because Father is an Homunculus, and not because they have the Philosopher Stone. To further enlight that exact point, we have as a fact that Father was an Homunculus BEFORE he adquired the Philosopher Stone!
 * He got the Philosopher Stone to become a "perfect being", and not to become an Homunculus (that aspect is intrisic to himself).
 * I think is very important to understand the dynamics of the underlying story of FMA and that Homunculi are one thing, Phisolopher's Stones are another. They're not directly (just incidently) connected to one another, and mixing that up may lead to confusion about the concept of the Homunculi. Turdaewen 19:03, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * He got the Philosopher Stone to become a "perfect being", and not to become an Homunculus (that aspect is intrisic to himself).
 * I think is very important to understand the dynamics of the underlying story of FMA and that Homunculi are one thing, Phisolopher's Stones are another. They're not directly (just incidently) connected to one another, and mixing that up may lead to confusion about the concept of the Homunculi. Turdaewen 19:03, August 31, 2011 (UTC)